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Autore: Cramer Florian

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Titolo Originale: Tilman-RFC #1: net art history 1993 - 1996

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Anno: 1999

Tilman-RFC #1: storia della net art 1993 - 1996



Data: giovedì, 14 Dec 1999 00:00:42 +0100 Mittente: owner-nettime-l AT bbs.thing.net


È sabato, 11.Dec.1999 um 18:24:31 +0100 schrieb Tilman Baumgaertel:


Sono veramente sorpreso di vedere che la tua linea del tempo inizi così in ritardo come nel 1993. Di nuovo, possiamo discutere se la net art sia identica all’arte World Wide Web. La mia opinione è diversa ovviamente.

Visto che tu parli di "arte della rete" e non di "arte Internet" in particolare, io includerei certamente BBSes in questa storia.

Anche senza BBSes, certamente radicherei le origini delle attività artistiche in Internet in manifestazioni del genere newsgroup "alt.artcom" "cultura postmoderna" e-journal con il "PMC-talk" listserver e Crackerjack Kid's Networker’s Telenet link nel 1991. Nei miei ricordi attuali di internet questi erano gli unici forum relativi alle arti nella rete di computer globali. Per la cultura della rete, le discussioni in "PMC-Talk" erano così significative come lo divennero più tardi quelle in Nettime.

alt.artcom

citazioni/fonti

"Nel 1991 c’erano a mala pena due dozzine di artisti di posta con PC e con modem, prevalentemente americani, che potevano mettersi in contato l'uno con l'altro attraverso "le superstrade informatiche come Internet, bitnet, CompuServe e America Online". (Chuck Welch < http://www.actlab.utexas.edu/emma/Gallery/telenetlink.html>)

" Gli artisti utilizzano reti di computer ed è sorprendente non solo i metodi di dialogo e di distribuzione ma anche il loro processo creativo e risultato estetico. Nel cyberspace di reti di computer, ancora così molto diffusamente ASCII e ANSI, le opere d’ arte non riguardano necessariamente immagini visive ma invece comunicazioni - molti indagano l'interattività, collaborazione, interfaccia, connettività e la relazione tra artista, opera d’arte e spettatore". Arte Anna Couey, Cyber: L'arte di sistemi di comunicazione, notizie di matrice, volume 1, numero 4, (1991 luglio)

1980 ARTEX Robert Adrian X Sistema di conferenza su I. P. Sharp APL Network utilizzata per progetti di arte

1986 Forum Artcom in il BBS Bene Carl Eugene Loeffler e altri SF Bay Area routed into the Usenet as alt.artcom (and still existing today), includes electronic distribution of Art Com journal articles

1987 TAM Ruud Janssen Amsterdam Mail-Art BBS (ora in the World Wide Web: <http://www.geocities.com/Paris/4947/>)

1990, estate Panscan Conferenza su ECHO BBS (più tardi echonyc.com) Mark Bloch New York City Produzione di E-Mail-poema collaborativo (testo in <http://www.echonyc.com/~panman/epoem.html>)

1990 Matrix Artists Network BBS Toronto, Canada

199? TAM di Ruud Jansen Tilburg/Netherlands

1990, 17 giugno PMC-Talk varo di "cultura postmoderna" lista di distribuzione in Internet e su ERAN/Bitnet Università della Virginia

1990, autunno Cultura postmoderna La prima edizione di Internet e-journal Università della Virginia

1991, 6 febbraio Standard Le Musée Di "La Società della Conservazione del Presente" BBS Grafica basata sullo standard Minitel French-Canadian Montréal, Québec (concepito e programmato dal gruppo di arti concettuale SCP, questo) proto-Website ha contenuto, tra altri, poesia computer-generated e "Notre Médium": Le Système ", un sistema sofisticato di pittogrammi ) ".

1991, giugno Networker Telenetlink di Crackerjack Kid (a.k.a. Chuck Welch) Sao Paolo Biennal

1991 R.A.T. archivio di Mail-Art di Charles Francois Liegi/Belgio Mail Art BBS

1992 Posta globale per Ashley Parker-Owens Modulo di informazioni/annuncio su Mail-Art e su attività collegate, pubblicate su " The Well " per mezzo di gopher e E-Mail

1994, febbraio Spoon Lists by Spoon Collective Liste di distribuzione su teoria culturale

1994 Fast Breeder Londra BBS gestita da Matthew fuller, Graham Harwood et.al.

1994 The Seven by Nine Squares/Neoism Online Berlino BBS dal 1995 marzo del 1994 marzo Sito Web dal 1995 marzo rilanciato come < http://www.neoism.org/> in gennaio 1996

….

Sono sicuro che c’è molto di più...

Florian


-- Florian Cramer, PGP chiave pubblica 6440BA05 Permutations/Permutationen - poetry automata from 330 A.D. to Indirizzo attuale: <http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/index.cgi>



Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:00:42 +0100 Sender: owner-nettime-l AT bbs.thing.net


Am Sat, 11.Dec.1999 um 18:24:31 +0100 schrieb Tilman Baumgaertel:

> One month ago I mailed out a proposal to inform me about early net art > projects. It resulted in the following list of projects and art works that > happened between 1993 and 1996. Some of them were suggested to me by email, > other came from my own - not very good - memory.

I am quite surprised to see that your timeline starts as late as in 1993. Again, we can argue whether "net art" (i.e. net art in a broader sense than the particular school of "Net.Art") is identical with "World Wide Web art". My opinion obviously differs.

Since you speak of "net art" and not of "Internet art" in particular, I would certainly include BBSes into this history.

Even without BBSes, I would clearly root the beginnings of Internet art activities in such manifestations as the "alt.artcom" newsgroup (established by the editors of the Canadian "Art Com" journal whose editors also published the Mail Art source book "Correspondence Art in 1985), the "Postmodern Culture" e-journal with the "PMC-talk" listserver and Crackerjack Kid's Networker's Telenet Link around 1991. In my memory of these days of the Internet - or EARN/Bitnet, respectively -, these were the _only_ arts-related forums in global computer networks. For net culture, the discussions in "PMC-Talk" were at least as significant as those in Nettime became later.

alt.artcom

Quotations/resources

"In 1991 there were roughly two dozen mail artists with PCs and modems, mostly Americans, who could access one another through information superhighways like internet, bitnet, CompuServe and America Online." Chuck Welch <http://www.actlab.utexas.edu/emma/Gallery/telenetlink.html>)

"Artists are using computer networks, and it is impacting not only their methods of dialogue and distribution, but their creative process and aesthetic output. In the cyberspace of computer networks, still so pervasively ASCII and ANSI, art works are not necessarily about visual images but instead communications -- many investigate interactivity, collaboration, interface, connectivity, and the relationship between artist, art work, and viewer." Anna Couey, Cyber Art: The Art of Communication Systems, Matrix News, Volume 1, Number 4, (July 1991)

1980 ARTEX Robert Adrian X Conferencing system on I. P. Sharp APL Network used for art projects

1986 Artcom forum in The Well BBS Carl Eugene Loeffler and others SF Bay Area routed into the Usenet as alt.artcom (and still existing today), includes electronic distribution of Art Com journal articles

1987 TAM Ruud Janssen Amsterdam Mail-Art BBS (now in the World Wide Web: <http://www.geocities.com/Paris/4947/>)


1990, summer Panscan Conference on ECHO BBS (later echonyc.com) Mark Bloch New York City production of a collaborative E-Mail poem (text at <http://www.echonyc.com/~panman/epoem.html>)

1990 Matrix Artists Network BBS Toronto, Canada

199? TAM by Ruud Jansen Tilburg/Netherlands

1990, June 17 PMC-Talk launch of "postmodern culture" mailing list in the Internet and on ERAN/Bitnet University of Virginia

1990, Fall Postmodern Culture First issue of the Internet e-journal University of Virginia

1991, February 6 Le Musée Standard by La Société de Conservation du Présent Graphical BBS based on the French-Canadian Minitel standard Montréal, Québec (Conceived and programmed by the conceptual art group SCP, this proto-Website contained - among others - computer-generated poetry and "Notre Médium: Le Système", a sophisticated system of pictograms.)

1991, June Networker Telenetlink by Crackerjack Kid (a.k.a. Chuck Welch) Sao Paolo Biennal

1991 R.A.T. Mail Art Archive by Charles Francois Liège/Belgium Mail Art BBS

1992 Global Mail by Ashley Parker-Owens Information/announcement sheet on Mail Art and related activities, published on "The Well" via gopher and E-Mail

1994, February Spoon Lists by Spoon Collective Mailing lists on cultural theory

1994 Fast Breeder London BBS operated by Matthew Fuller, Graham Harwood et.al.

1994 The Seven by Nine Squares/Neoism Online Berlin BBS from March 1994-March 1995 Web Site since March 1995 relaunched as <http://www.neoism.org/> in January 1996

...

I am sure there are many more...

Florian


-- Florian Cramer, PGP public key ID 6440BA05 Permutations/Permutationen - poetry automata from 330 A.D. to present: <http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/index.cgi>

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